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Dr Sea's avatar

I think this is a little disingenuous IMO, especially the line that "Māori and Pacific peoples are not over-represented in the stats for deaths caused by Covid" - when you look at the 0-59yo deaths, they are as high as Pākehā, despite their much lower overall % population (although their populations are younger), and it ignores the fact that both peoples have significantly lower life expectancies and higher vulnerabilities than Pākehā.

Also, at the time, as you point out, nobody knew just how bad the human toll would be, nor did we know that vaccines could be developed as fast as they could (likely not to happen in the future, with the Trump regime killing mRNA research). I am certainly grateful for the incredibly strong and science-backed response our government had - and because I work internationally, I could see daily just how enormously different our lifestyles were here compared with the horrors other countries had to deal with. Human psychology means we all forgot those horrors and the nuances of how uncertain those times were, and just remember the personal inconveniences.

That said, I agree with both, that we need to be better prepared for future pandemics, and should put a significant portion of our cash reserves into our health system, including cardiovascular health (and prevention). But that should also include a discussion to get rid of the idiotic 30/30 rule Bernard Hickey keeps highlighting as screwing our country, under both major party rules...

Malcolm Robbins's avatar

It surprises me how the results appear to suggest ~50/50 either side of this issue.

I wonder how people think spending $66B was worth it - suggests to me those who think it was haven't really thought much about it and are falling back to their own self defence (i.e. not prepared to re-evaluate their previous position). For me here's some reasons I don't think it was worth it:

1) It was and is clear the overwhelming majority of deaths were in the 80+ bracket and yet we shut down all of society. Wildly we shut schools, all workplaces etc even though children and working age people had little to fear. i.e. we could have spent a fraction to protect the known vulnerable while letting the rest of us keep life, society and the economy going

2) Given a total of 2900 lives lost thats $22M/life lost. That's not lives saved of course but...

3) Given the age distribution of deaths you can also work out the cost for each (expected) year of life saved. Doing that simple calculation comes out to $5M/year of life lost.

Some will argue that without the measures a lot more people would have died but the alternative to what occurred is not NO measures, but targeted protection. It's hard not to think we could have put in targeted measures around the aged and vulnerable more effectively and for far less effort/cost that would have worked just as well, if not better.

Instead the government used the sledgehammer approach, assumed elimination was a viable strategy in the medium/long term, and locked us all down. The elimination strategy was an idealistic and illusory goal that is what caused so much damage IMO.

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