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Cyril's avatar

You have touched different topics here. I would dare to bring in some thoughts on the second one if I may.

I am curious if you had a chance at this or other occassions to ask students subscribing the chant "From the river to the sea Palestine will he free" (just because it's visible on the board) what do they personally mean by this message or how do they understand it? How would you comment it if asked by the journalists - Is it a free speech or incitement to destroy Israel and annihilate Jewish people, considering what are the river and the sea, as well as official interpretation and reaction to the phrase in many Western countries to date?

Seeing campuses in the United States, those do not look like peaceful and respectful protests in a spirit of free speech. Palestinian supporters among students and affiliated with them abused its freedom To express themselves being physical towards american Jewish students, depriving them (and Jewish professors, at least I have picked up one - Shavi Davidai, active on the X) from the right to attend University, many of students paid tuition fees to attend, denying Jewish freedom From being assaulted... tearing down American flag and putting palestian instead. Would it be tolerated in Aotearoa?

Thinking about freedom to express own emotions and opinions, I have not seen anywhere in the world any signs of aggressive protests by Ukranians nor targeting russians. Instead, russians living in the West are murdering Ukrainians (news from Germany). And that's considering the fact that unlike Gaza, neither Ukriane nor any affiliated armed organisation attacked its neighblour neither in 2014 nor in 2022.

In my opinion, aside of natural support for people who are wronged and suffer, there are hostile Active Measures or state' influence campaigns aiming to disinform, ignite emotions, provoke violence and split societies in the Western countries specifically on the Israeli-Palestinian topic. To be mindful and cautious about this is responsibility of every individual, but especially Universities and governments.

I think, the threat is that malicious actors are happy to use the platform of democratic freedom of speech to abuse it, divide societies and with the help of those sympathetic, neutral or 'bothsidesist' overturn and oppress the opponents. After that is done, they will come after those in the middle grounds. Have not the far Right in the inter-war Germany tailored their speeches and messages depending on the audience's weakest and controversial points, and used platforms of free speech, institutes of democracies, and moderate centrists and its fears to crash the far Left first before turning on those in the center?...

Divide and rule... it's hard to defend against the flood of lies. Overwhelming the defense ultimately forcing it to give up is the aim. Building the defences must be the countermeasures.

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MARK SHEEHAN's avatar

Really useful to have some wider context on the coalition government's lack of a 'honeymoon' period. This government - one of the most reactionary administrations we have had under MMP - is as yet to resonate with the wider public. However we are right to be cautious with polls as while they may tell us something about current trends, they do not necessarily say much about the future. Labour's spectacular win in 2020 (and the polling at this time) gave little indication of an almost 50% fall in support 3 years later and that within 2 years Jacinda Adhern would become a polarising figure. It is very much early days.

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